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Cash and Elections

So I went to play DDR with matcha_pocky and punk_rock_nerd earlier this week, and matcha_pocky and I were talking about the upcoming US elections. I explained that my feeling on the matter were that while I am a citizen and thus I have a right to vote for the next US president, because I don't live in the US and have no intention of ever living there, I don't really feel that I am entitled to do so.

And naturally, the conversation lead to eBay.

The very clever matcha_pocky suggested that what I could do would be 'sell' my vote on eBay to some lucky Melbournite, who would be able to go with me the the US Embassy (or whatever - I think there are postal forms to fill out or what have you) and tell me how they'd like me to fill out my forms. So while I would be voting, I'd be voting the way someone else wanted me to vote.

Now, this appeals to the social terrorist within me. As I've explained in the past, I don't feel that my vote in what ever election is held (AUS or US) is really going to make any difference, and thus the idea of giving my vote which won't make any difference to someone else - who by inference will also not make any real difference - and making a profit from it appeals.

I mean, it's like graffitting with chalk on the road - no one is hurt, it's a puny insult to society by and large, and it has no lasting effect. And yet, I know that I have thrown ax tiny spanner in the works, and the gods of chaos will smile on me for a little while.

On the other hand, I'd feel a little bad about selling my vote on a moral level. Especially if the highest bidder was one of those nasty pro-Bush people. Maybe I should instead of thinking that I am squandering a privilage such as voting in the US, I am instead excercising my democratic right to vote the way I choose to - even if that means voting the way someone else chooses.

It's a tricky issue.


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Aug. 11th, 2004 06:31 pm (UTC)
If you vote for Kerry, I promise to buy you a piece of cake. :)
Aug. 11th, 2004 06:32 pm (UTC)
it may not be worth much ... only like 15-25% of american's vote with thiers ...

any legal issues ? are you "allowed" to sell it ?

Aug. 11th, 2004 06:37 pm (UTC)
afaik, it's one of the many things against ebay's terms of use and would get pulled if listed... pretty sure it's been tried before.
Aug. 11th, 2004 06:41 pm (UTC)
It could be done if I was really clever about the wording. You know, so that people reading between the lines knew what I was on about. Or something...
Aug. 11th, 2004 06:56 pm (UTC)
Something along the lines of "One day trip to foreign nation, accompanying enterprising young Democrat, some light paperwork involved"?
Aug. 11th, 2004 06:57 pm (UTC)
I think you're probably better off to auction it privately. Throw a party and do it :)
Aug. 11th, 2004 07:46 pm (UTC)
Selling your vote on Ebay...

... a masterful idea, that appeals to the part of me that would like to smash a 2by4 in the face of every candidate in the upcoming US Election. If you were to Auction it, I would most certainly bid, simply to abstain. Yes, oh yes, sweet sweet irony.

However, I am concerned.

You start off by stating that although you are a citizen, you dont feel you are entitiled to vote. Which to me indicates a lack of emotional attachment to the whole voting process.

Then, you follow it up by stating that you will feel 'bad' for selling this commodity to whomever can provide you the requisite moolah. Explicitly mentioning 'nasty pro-bush' people. This would indicate that you do have a voting preference (ie - not Bush).

And although I may well regret saying this later... if you do have a preference, perhaps you -should- vote?

Hmmm... or perhaps is this purely a strategy to drive up the price of said commodity!! By messing with my over utilised and woefully underpowered mental processes.

"!Hail Eris!".

Aug. 11th, 2004 07:52 pm (UTC)
Oh, I care. I just don't care enough into fooling myself into believing my vote will actually make a difference. Just because I don't feel I can make a difference, however, won't stop the fact I think Bush is a dick. And, quite frankly, I'd be vaguely miffed for someone using my vote for a dick.

On the other hand, "Penis for President" does have a nice ring to it.
Aug. 11th, 2004 08:55 pm (UTC)
Not to mention his Vice President is "Dick Chaney".

And to second what rincemaj said I will also provide cake. I could even be persuaded to pay for entry in Abyss or something one night.
Aug. 11th, 2004 09:47 pm (UTC)
ok i'm far too much of a political nut to really want to step up to the plate and get blasted for my opinions...

but my mother always says, many a mickle makes a muckle.

and she's right.
Aug. 11th, 2004 11:44 pm (UTC)
When in doubt, vote against. Doesn't work as well in the U.S. electoral system as in ours, but it does work. Bush is a dick. Kerry might be a dick, but less so than Bush... That seems, to me, to have a logical conclusion...
Aug. 11th, 2004 07:50 pm (UTC)
Bush vs Kerry. Whoever wins..... We Loose.
Aug. 11th, 2004 11:11 pm (UTC)
just don't forget that this land is my land, and you'll be fine
Aug. 12th, 2004 05:44 pm (UTC)
Being a big dag and a downer..
I'm quite disturbed by the idea!

I know US politics is, well, screwy. I did, for a long time, agree with you that I did not live there, and therefore had no real right to vote, and to change the politics under which I did not truly live. But you know what? I think that's bollocks now.

Because the thing is, now more than ever, every one of us is affected by who rules the US. Bush is an evil fuck. There isn't much getting around that. Kerry might not be much better, I mean, as Oz politics go, the US is always a ways right of us. But. As a citizen of the US, I have been ashamed. Increasingly, and exponentially so. For the first time in ages, I've avoided mentioning my heritage.

And then I did the ultimate daggy thing. I heard the national anthem played on the radio one morning, on my way to Uni, and I wept. I actually don't know much about your history, but me, I'm a daughter of the revolution. My ancestors fought and died, did their best to create a beautiful ideal of a country. And that it has been reduced to this, well. I'm saddened, and devastated, and I feel a deep sense of guilt, that the descendent of the person who wrote this, sits by and does nothing. So I'm going to vote. Its all I can do for now, and its not much. But I'm doing it. Please, add your voice to the effort.
Aug. 12th, 2004 05:49 pm (UTC)
Right. That's it. We're all buying your vote.

We're going to have a postal-vote party. We'll all go down to the embassy, fill out the forms for you, crowd into the voting booth, heckle the Bush supporters and go for cake and DDR afterwards. You shall be the maiden of the hour, and we'll all feel great about doing our bit to get someone who speaks English into the white house.

Sound like a plan?
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